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October 2nd, 2007

Daylight savings parameter for horoscopes

Based on my email exchanges with Basab over the last few days, I realized that there is still a lot of confusion over how to enter values in the birth chart application to generate janma kundli and it is especially true for folks living outside India and those who live in places with daylight savings during a certain part of the year. Horoscope applications throughout the world (for either Western or Vedic Astrology) can programmatically determine if daylight savings is in effect for a place of birth at the time of birth. This programming, however, is not entirely foolproof. Moreover, the laws governing daylight savings can be changed by the government of the day. I have therefore chosen not to incorporate such a logic in the birth chart application on this website and prefer to take this input from the user.

The most important side effect of getting DST wrong is incorrect lagna both for rashi and other amsha (divisional) charts. The degrees of planets are not affected to that big an extent by mistakes in DST. If some margin of error is acceptable, one could potentially still look at all planetary positions from Moon rashi for general predictions. IMHO, two horoscopes should be cast, one with DST and one without it, and some sort of preliminary chart rectification techniques should be used to select one of them.

The three points that should be remembered while entering timezone and daylight savings time values in any horoscope application are:

1. Timezone never changes
All through the year, whether or not DST is in affect, the timezone of a place remains the same.

2. DST
One more parameter DST is taken into account during period of daylight savings or summer time, as it is known in countries within European Union. Clocks are moved forward by an hour during summer time. Therefore, in California, USA, the timezone will always be 8:00 W, and DST is either “Yes” or “No” depending on the time of the year.

3. How do we find out what the timezone is?
Assuming that you want to find out the local time zone, the easiest way is to look at the system clock in your Windows machine. Double click on the clock on your computer’s system tray and click on the timezone tab on the popup. Please refer to the image below, where it is shown that IST is 5:30 ahead of GMT (GMT+5:30) and Pacific time is 8:00 behind GMT (GMT-8:00).

Ascertaining timezone for purpose of horoscope generation
Figure 1: Finding out current timezone

Sorry MAC fans, this is a screen shot from a Windows machine. Well, I don’t dig macs and I a’int gonna get swindled by overpriced products and then waiting for in store credit coupon to show up ;-)

To generate a janma kundli, we then need to ascertain if DST is indeed in affect during the time of birth of the individual. The safest bet is to always ask the individual’s family about this parameter. If this option is not available and if the DST status has to be figured out from the date, here is a wikipedia article that could be referred to.

In United States, from 1987 to 2006, DST began on first Sunday in April and ended on last Sunday in October. Starting in 2007, daylight time begins on the second Sunday in March and ends on the first Sunday in November. This is a good website explaining history of daylight time in the US. In countries belonging to European Union, summer time starts on the last Sunday in March and ends on the last Sunday in October. The shift in time happens at 1.00 AM GMT. Here is a site explaining the rules for clock change in EU. DST has never been used in independent India, although we do see an example of DST being used during the second world war.

Once there is clarity about the DST status, the input screen of the janma kundli application should look like-

Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) - Input for horoscope screen
Figure 2: Input screen of horoscope application with DST in effect



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4 Responses to “Daylight savings parameter for horoscopes”

anonymous Says:
October 24th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

This is not correct. NSW, Australia uses UTC+11 during summer, but UTC+10 during winter. So timezone changes. check wiki if not convinced.


bhava Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 3:38 am

my son is born in michigan
First of all thank you very much for the wonderful software. It all started when we decided to perform my son’s thread ceremony. We knew that he belongs to punarvasu nakshatra. But we were not sure which paada?
3 pada is mithun and i heard no gurubala for 2009 and 4 pada is karkataka and 4 pada has gurubala.
I was desperaately trying to talk to priests but it was so hard to get hold of one.
I know my son’s dob
time and place latitude and longitude.
The problem is with time input because he is born during Daylight savings time july and what should i put in time zone?
500 E OR 500 w
Yes for dst
Please clarify and i would like to know upanayana muhurthams for 2009
Thanks and regards


Savani Says:
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 am

I had written to you before on the wonderful application you have here! I use it quite frewuently. I have a question about how to enter time.
Let’s say person A is born in May (when daylight saving is in effect in New York, USA)at 4:00 pm EDT. which will be 3:00 pm EST. My question is, how do I input this information w.r.t. GMT time?
should I put time of birth at 16:00, click on daylight saving to make it ‘yes’ and put -4:00 from GMT? the time zone has changed w.r.t GMT. NYC is 4 hours behind GMT in summer, 5 hours behind GMT in winter. Will clicking the DST option AND putting daylight time zone w.r.t. GMT make daylight correction twice on the birth time? Please do clarify! Thanks!


Sukomal Dhar Says:
June 29th, 2008 at 6:34 am

1. It is not clear about the Time Zone. Say for India, whether it should be +5.30 or -5.30 ? In some softwares, they show as -5.30 from their database. Explanation solicited.
2. In USA (East, time zone 5.00) the DST was started from 23 (or may be 22 nd ) of March, at 2.00 PM this year i.e on the fourth Sunday/Saturday.
3. In the kundli software, there are normally, DST available as +1, -1, or custom. Which one to be clicked?


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